Directing and Acting - Interview With Christopher Marino

Q: Tell me about your work as a director.can block themselves in all sorts of ways. Allowing
A: I think most good directors have an idea ofthe inner critic to come into the equation is a huge
what they want to see in a role, but if they'reblock - the critic that says I'm not doing this right
smart, they're open to the people walking throughor I'm not interesting, or I don't know how to
the door. As a director, I depend heavily on mymove or speak or even what I want. That inner
actors. I want smart actors who make boldcritic chips away at an actor and creates a safe
choices that are firmly rooted in the text, whotight insular performance. I try and break actors
have ideas, come in with new things, and who areout of that.
constantly moving forward in the rehearsalQ: I've heard you do dialect coaching. What is that
process. I would rather see an actor be wildlyand how did you get into it?
wrong than safe, or just trying to figure out whatA: Dialect coaching is a different sort of coaching.
I want. I end up trying to push them out of thatIt's not the same as accent reduction, which
because what I saw in an audition isn't going tousually attracts a different sort of coach. Most
end up being what they're going to do in theteachers who are certified in Fitzmaurice
show.Voicework work with dialects. I got involved with
In callbacks, I work with actors, I direct them. Ithe Fitzmaurice work at the ACA. Later, when
want to know how they take direction, how theytaking her workshop, Catherine Fitzmaurice asked
communicate. I want to know what sort ofme if would be interested in certifying in the work.
partner they are in this creative dance because II went through the two-year certification process.
think the director/actor relationship is aIn England, I trained through the British drama
partnership. The director has enough distance,school system, pretty much the same way any
hopefully, from the process to be able to look atof the major English actors trained. I developed an
it and say to an actor - "You can't see it becauseear that's attuned to dialects so I can tell roughly
you're in it, but this isn't coming across, or thisa Yorkshire dialect from a Suffolk dialect, a posh
isn't clear;" or, "Do you realize you're taking thisdialect from a working class dialect. Living in
direction when the text is saying you're doingEngland helped refine my ear because people
something else?" A director plays several roles; hemake all sorts of judgments by virtue of how
is the leader in a sense, but he also partyou sound, so their ears are much more attuned
psychologist, diplomat, and creative partner.to dialect than are ours.
I'm not interested in working with actors whoTowson University's production of Cloud Nine
need me to tell them how to act the roleneeded someone familiar with RP, Received
because I can't direct the play through the filterPronunciation, the way the higher status English in
of being an actor. If I do that, all I'm doing isthe 19th century spoke. As the first half of the
making people execute my choices, which is notplay takes place in a colony in Africa in the
fun for them, terribly boring for them actually,Victorian period, I was brought in to work with
and terribly boring for me because there are noactors on RP. The second half of the play was
surprises.set in England in the 1980s, so I also coached the
There are no mysteries in an audition with me. Imore contemporary London dialects. Right now,
will come out, if there's time, and talk to theat UMBC, I'm working with students on a
actors. I don't believe in sitting behind a table andMississippi dialect for William Faulkner's As I Lay
adding to an already tense situation for the actor.Dying that fits the rhythms of the text.
When actors have taken the time to prepare andQ: Would you talk some about your acting?
audition for me, the least I can do is talk to themA: My work as an actor is very much the same
and find out what they're about even if I don'tas my work as a director. I try to keep
think they're right for the part. It's a matter ofeverything in shape and keep forward
respect.momentum in my work. When I come into an
Another thing is I try not to allow actors to getaudition, I've got a very strong energy and people
comfortable. Actors can make a lot of discoverieseither buy it or don't. I might be right for one out
early on in the process and those discoveriesof 30 or 40 things that come along, in the
become precious to them. They want to hidedirector's estimation, until they've worked with
them away as a group of precious toys. When Ime. But film and theatre are different. I come into
see that happening, I try to take those toystheatre auditions, make strong choices, and
away. I'll say, "You know what? All the discoveriessometimes I feel directors think that's the only
you made are really great, but let's do it again.performance they're going to get out of me. If
Let's find some new stuff, totally different."they work with me, they'll find that I made those
Sometimes I'll take the scene in a vastly differentchoices because I wanted them to see that I can
direction just to see what else might be there.respond to the text, create theories and ideas
Q: Do you have a method by which you cast?and try them out. If a director doesn't like what
A: I'm not entirely sure if I could say there's aI've just created, work with me. Direct me,
method by which I cast. A lot of it is a gutadjust me, I'm totally fine with that. I'd love to
reaction and a feeling of excitement. If thatfind a show that's right for me with a director
actor's work excites me and makes me want towho is willing to explore how to work with my
work with that person, he or she will be hired. Iparticular energy.
also check in with the monitor at the end ofIn Europe and London, people go crazy for the
auditions and ask who was problematic. That tellsway I look. I did a print ad for Dockers Europe; I
me a lot because actors who can't treat thewas on ads on billboards, buses, magazines. People
person who's running my audition with respect arehere look at me and say - "I don't know what to
not going to treat my staff with respect; theydo with you." I'm perfect for the Euro-trashy
are not going to treat their other actors withhenchmen in whatever action films come in
respect, or treat me with respect. You would bebecause I don't look like the standard American.
amazed how many actors treat monitors badlyI'm not going to play the guy working in
because they think they don't have anything tocorporate America, not unless that guy is killing
do with the show. That's a huge tell for me.people. I know what my look is, what I give off,
My job as an artistic director or producer is toand I know how to work with it.
find the best people for the jobs and allow themThe best question an actor can ask and answer
to do their jobs, not micromanage, but to createfor him or herself is - "how do you see yourself?"
a supportive environment and let everyone knowThe answer of how I see myself is probably
they are valued. There are three categories whyalong the lines of, put in film terminology, an
someone works for your theatre or takes a job.American version of the type of roles that Allan
It's either for the money, the exposure, or forRickman gets, the educated edgy type. It's not
the art. If you cannot satisfy one of those threereally a type for American actors. It almost
categories, you're going to have a very unhappyalways goes to the British actors. I don't see too
employee or no employee at all. People have tomany edgy guys in American films who are
be fulfilled in one of these categories to beeducated - they're either working class edgy or
satisfied. If I'm doing a small scale production, Ithe bland villain, the guy that looks nice but is
can't give them money. Can I give themactually a killer. The way I look, I could be on The
exposure? Maybe a little bit. What is in my controlSopranos. The way that I sound, never in a million
is providing a joyful, professional, and satisfyingyears. When you see those kinds of guys being
experience.interviewed, how they sound on The Sopranos is
Q: How did you get into the arts?how they sound in real life. There's no change.
A: I was about ten when I did my first play inCould I play a Jersey Italian? Sure. But I'm not
school. As a child, I had a vivid imagination and Igoing to be able act it the same way as the guy
enjoyed living there. I did my undergraduate andwho grew up in Jersey or came from that
graduate degrees in theatre and when I was inbackground.
shows, I found myself being asked for feedbackWhen I was working with an agent in New York,
by the other actors in the show. I didn't invite orI told her I had no illusions about my type. I said I
encourage it because I don't believe in coachingknow that most of the other actors you work
other actors with whom I'm working in a play, butwith are going to get five to six auditions a week.
I found them pulling me aside for advice whenMy type, two a month, maybe. I know this and
they felt there was something missing for themam comfortable with it. I don't have an
or they felt like the director wasn't communicatingexpectation of - "Why am I not getting called in
with them. I wasn't covertly trying to underminefor that Neil Simon play?" Now, could I act the
the director by any means, and I wasn't directingcrap out of it? Possibly. But is anybody going to
the actors in the sense of telling them what tocast me in it? No way. I get cast predominately
do, but what I ended up doing was helping themas bad guys. No one would know it, but I'm
refine choices and pull out impulses that I sawprobably a stronger comedic actor, but have I
were already there. Teaching and coaching cameever played a comedic role? Almost never.
very naturally to me.Q: What are your ultimate goals?
Q: What are your goals as a teacher?A: Pretty much the standard answer - to work
A: I want to teach more. When you live the lifemore. There is so much I want to accomplish as
of an adjunct teacher at colleges, nothing is reallya director, actor, and teacher. As a director, I am
your own. You are essentially a hired hand. I thinkconstantly working on scripts. It keeps my
academic program directors like me because ofprocess alive and allows me to work in a state of
the variety of things I teach. I coach actors, workcuriosity. If someone said to me - "hey, I want
with contemporary material and Shakespeare,you to direct a show at my theatre," I could
teach style plays and language, and voice andanswer - "I have several shows ready to go,
movement. It's easy for them to bring me insome even have preliminary costume designs
when they need of a teacher. But, I would reallyprovided by Melanie Lester, the designer with
like to teach a progression entirely of my ownwhom I collaborate."
design. My goal would be to head and design anI'm very hard on theatre and I'm equally hard on
acting program. I would also like to be at amyself. It's difficult for me to talk confidently
university on a full-time basis so I don't have toabout the work in order to sell myself because
scramble for work every term.I'm in a constant process with it and am always
Probably the big thing I bring to teaching, othertrying to move forward with it. I don't want to
than experience, is the fact that I've had reallyget stuck in things I've done in the past. Things
good teachers and I steal from them. I steal onlyI've done two, three, or five years ago, are like
from the best. This one idea I got from Declandistant memories to me. I've learned whatever I
Donnellan, a brilliant director and a brilliant writercould from them, but they're done. I'm a different
who wrote about the philosophy of acting and itsperson now. For me, theatre that is not in
applications in his book The Actor and the Target,constant forward motion is doomed before it
and I full on agree with this. Briefly, he doesn'tbegins.
view one actor as being more talented thanAt this point, the big issue for me is exposure -
another, he views one actor as being less blockedmany people do not know I live in this community.
than another. It's not this mysterious thing ofI'd love for a theatre to step up to the plate and
being anointed as an actor and some people havesay - "give me a show." At the same time, while
it and some people don't. It's that some peoplethe shows I've directed have gotten great
are more blocked than others, and whether theyreviews and press, it would be a mistake for me
have the ability to remove the blocks forto say I feel I'm a fully developed director and
themselves. When these blocks are removed,can guarantee a hit show with good press and
actors become open to a full spectrum ofaudience every time, because the minute I say
expression.that is the minute I've stopped being curious and
It's up to me to help remove the blocks. Actorstaking risks.